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Smith and Wesson 586 (blued 686) and 2020 Colt Python. Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles Dedicated to the Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Rifles Thread Tools: Display Modes #1 12-09-2011, 06:22 PM 117. The hammer travel of the S&W is shorter and can be tuned very nicely. The Smith & Wesson Sport II is the way I lean on these three. Press J to jump to the feed. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson revolvers? The Colt can be tuned even more, but it takes a more talented smith. Are you going to continue to shoot the Python or will she eventually become a safe queen? I've found some material comparing the two, but most of what I find just says that the Colt is constructed with better material. It does look good. In this instance, the L frame of the 686 denotes a medium-large frame, and is typical of modern, fullsize .357 Magnum offerings from Smith & Wesson. Colt uses milspec carpenter 158 steel for their bolts and they are all hp/mpi tested. Smith and Wesson 586 (blued 686) and 2020 Colt Python. I also prefer mid length over carbine any day of the week. It's ready to customize just like you need and is compatible with any parts out there. Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts Colt LE6920 vs S&W MP15. 10) as opposed to gun shops where you sell one a week. It’s a toss up and the differences are minimal but Rugers are cast steel while S&W are forged steeel. It was commissioned as a gift for Richard Grob, the Director of Security and Operations for Elvis Presley Enterprises. Grob was a close friend to Presley and the two went shooting regularly. new production S&W 66 combat magnum. I like Colt. And, in my opinion, they … Maybe...but only by a small margin. I am stunned that no one has recommended this yet. I also have a 1947 pre-17 Smith and an old Smith Outdoorsman. Both manufacturers immediately responded with variants of their large frame revolvers chambered for the British service .455 cartridge; Smith&Wesson with a version of the .44 caliber frame Hand Ejector and Colt Sport II uses a milspec diameter 6061 aluminum buffer tube. I have two in the safe that have been in various build stages for almost a year. Even companies like Springfield Armory, FN, and IWI, major manufacturers that have massive recognition inside the … Have you considered building one? They've improved on the original Sport with a dust cover and forward assist. Cast saves costs but anytime you cast you may or may not have air pockets that could crack so they tend to be not as strong as forged steel. Sport II uses a milspec diameter 6061 aluminum buffer tube. Have you shot the colt yet? Smith & Wesson is a household name. You can buy a new Colt LE6920 for right around $750 if you buy the OEM version and add your own furniture and sights. S&W Joins The Fray. Not sure what spec the Sport IIs bcg is. To meet this demand, the British turned to the two foremost manufacturers of revolvers in the world, Colt and Smith&Wesson. Colt uses a 7075 aluminum milspec buffer tube. And if you have ever tried loading and reloading a Colt Single Action Army vs. a Smith & Wesson Model 3 American and Schofield, you know that it's hands down faster to load than the Colt SAA. The 686 first debuted in the 1980’s alongside the Model 581, 586 and 681.Since then, th… Smith & Wesson had to play catchup and is kind of still playing catchup when it comes to available variants. I am still looking for my Colt. People will buy their crap regardless. The AR name stands for the original manufacturer of the rifle, ArmaLite, which eventually sold the rights to the AR-15 to Colt, which modified it and sold it to the U.S. military as the M16 automatic rifle. Single action was excellent as well. 2. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Never got any cylinder lock ups in single and double action. plus it gives you 357 mag capability. I have shot 100 rounds of 357 and 38 specials and fired snap Caps 50 times. The Colt D-frame is a bit stronger as the bolt locks up between the cylinders as opposed the the S&W's being directly over the cylinder (this is the weakest part of any chamber) I have a few 357 DA revolvers already so as nice as it looks just not convinced I want another. If you will primarily be using 55gr, then 1x9 is better. OP, people are going to prefer what they own, and get defensive when someone says something else is better. The K-32 was built on Smith & Wesson’s medium frame, which we now know as the K-frame. Don't know about the Colt, but with regards to the High Standard vs the 41, I think those bullseye shooters might get an argument from a couple shooters named Huelet "Joe" Benner and William McMillan, both Olympic gold medal winners using High Standard pistols.Benner won his gold medal in 1952 before the 41 came into existence, but went on to consult for High Standard. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard 380 A fairly compelling argument could be made for including the M&P Shield on this list. My thinking is that a nicer rifle won't make me that much better of a shooter, more range time will though. Save yourself some change and tailor the gun to your liking with the extra cash or put it towards ammunition. S&W isn't going to produce a junk gun, plus they are a fairly popular buy...they must be doing something right. Just look at what they charge for a lower parts kit on brownells.That makes me distrusting towards them and the price they ask for their complete rifles. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. At this point in time, the companies were producing revolvers that in many ways were more similar than they differed. Colt used to call revolvers in the Detective Special and Cobra class D-frames. All are darn nice handguns and I would hate to sell any of them. The old Python is blued. You will end up with a much better rifle for the same amount of money. I have a S&W mp15 TS. Colt then made a civilian version, which is why the AR-15 is often confused with a military weapon, but it is just a cosmetic veneer. I have a S&W comp'ed 41, an old Colt Woodsman Target with the full blown target grips, a 1950's High Standard Military Target model and a 1960's High Standard Citation Trophy target pistols. The Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport II rifle typically retails for under $800, and the addition of an optic or sights can quickly create a rifle tailored to the user’s needs. The finish on the New Python is good, some minor scratches easily removed by polishing. Colt uses a … The Smith & Wesson 1917 and the Colt 1911 are a similar handful at 36 and 40 ozs. About AR15.COM. That whole barcode thing is rather kind of unfortunate but that wouldn't stop me from getting one if I wanted one. I am hoping the issues are isolated and I have had any yet. If they’d had the same finish and grips attached, I doubt many of us could pick them apart at any distance. I want to get an AR and am deciding between the 2. Sam Colt invented the revolver as we know it, offering the first one for sale in 1836. Colt and Smith & Wesson tried to compete with each other in the late 1800s by offering newer, more innovative revolvers to capture the lion’s share of the market, but then, in 1899, S&W unveiled its first .38-caliber K-Frame — the Military & Police. The 686 is stainless. I doubt Colt ever had more than a few police contracts, whereas S&W had, not only most cities and states, but also FBI and other feds. Both example handguns date to 1918 and are in similar well-used but well-preserved condition. The 686 is mostly a refinement of the S&W’s iconic revolver pedigree, established with their K/L frame revolvers. I believe the Colt would be more reliable, but is unlikely to make a difference if the primary use will be for the range. Shoots flawlessly. With Adam Jonas Segaller, Philip Guerette, John Byrne, Don Meehan. The Colt feels better in my hand, but the M-41 is theoretically more accurate because the sights don't move with the slide. The AR-style rifle is the most popular firearm in the country, with about 16 million Americans owning them. In fact. The older sport IIs didn't come with double heat shield hand guards, not sure if that changed. The Colt has a 4150 1/7 twist chrome lined barrel that is individually hp and mpi tested. The Colt has a more personal story. But they've been making them for a long time... and their bolts are supposed to be very good. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Member Join Date: Mar 2009. Also not sure if/how well S&W stakes their castle nuts and gas keys but I know for a fact Colt does a proper job and stakes the castle nut in 2 different spots and stakes the gas key deeply so it wont come loose. The invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. There’s nothing compact about these brutes.The grips are the other major variation. The Colt is a much better rifle. I don't think the person who designed the new Python grips ever shot anything more than .38 special. He is one of the best. As is, they’re visually distinct. Question is, do I spend the extra ~$300 for the Colt or do I get the Sport II and put the $300 towards optics? Mine has never failed, not in 1000's of rounds. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt vs Smith and Wesson (Page 1 of 2) ARCHIVED; General » General Discussion. It will be YOUR rifle, that you built with your own hands. In that time, Colt produced more than 1.5 million revolvers. If you are going to replace the furniture over time, factor that into your decision. What's the quickest way to touch off an argument among diehard double-action revolver fans? Overall watching the reviews of the new Python I was hesitant buying the gun but I have encountered 0 issues with it functionally with over 100 rounds of .357 magnums, .38 special, and dry firing with snap caps. … I measured the cylinder widths of a J-frame and a K-frame Smith and Wesson revolver to compare with the King Cobra and found it is right in the middle of the other two, being .1” wider than the J-frame and .05” narrower than the K-frame. Smith & Wesson immediately paid for the pistols return. I was at the same impass weeks ago and decided on the sport II. AR-15 AK-47 Handgun Precision Rifles Armory Training Competitive Shooting General Outdoors Archery Hometown Industry. You can find them for under $500 most days and then you have money left over. I never once had the cylinder fail to turn. The Sport II has a nitride coated 4140 steel 1/9 twist barrel that is batch tested. Both companies offer good warranties, however, and both of these odd revolvers perform basically the same way. Before AR vs. AK, 870 vs. 500, or even Mauser vs. Lee Enfield — there was Colt vs. Smith & Wesson. Here's hoping they get that ironed out quickly. Smith&Wesson was smarter in many ways than Colt, especially in the area of contracts, where you sell multiple guns, (witness the mdl. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. Btw how much is the Sport II? I've carried one for years and I have trusted my life to that brand. It's very easy to do from online instructions, even with no experience, and it requires very few tools. Since you are considering a Sport II, take a look the Ruger 556 or Midwest industry's offerings. I love it. The frame, cylinder release, sideplate, and crane arrangement are unmistakably S&W. I say buy the m and p sport, (ive put 1,000 through it, no hiccups) and then get your feet wet with buying the upper and building a lower. Here we look at some of the differences and just have some fun with both. It really comes down to which feels better against your shoulder, which looks the best to you, and which one you want to have 10 years from now (you said you are only going to have one rifle for the foreseeable future). Colt makes good stuff, but they also mark it up for the brand name. See Also: Shoot-out: Colt Python vs. Smith & Wesson 686. Not only that, you'll get exactly what you want. A big change was the introduction of the Smith and Wesson Military and Police .38 revolver. Posts: 148 Likes: 111. it has a sleeved barrel design and crane lock-up rather than using the extractor plunger. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Do I think it's a better gun than the S&W? Plus it will feel more personal than if you had simply bought it. As mentioned earlier. I bought it less than a year ago and am a shooter not a collector. So I bought a 6920 couple years ago.... now I wish I had bought something cheaper (yet still milspec) and put the savings towards ammo, optics, and ramen. I got the rifle, 3 extra mags and 750rds M193 for $750 total...the vortex strike eagle is coming soon!! I'll take the 686. OP, my very first rifle is an m and p sport 2. I'm a real lucky guy. I’m very interested in the new Python, but am waiting for 6” blue. Directed by Paul Abascal. Agreed. It does require a lot more research, but not only is that half the fun, it will give you a much better understanding of he platform. You can buy a complete double heat shield handguard and M4 stock set plus trigger guard for $30. I'd get the Sport and a good optic. I just got it 6 months ago. Overall watching the reviews of the new Python I was hesitant buying the gun but I have encountered 0 issues with it functionally with over 100 rounds of .357 magnums, .38 special, and dry firing with snap caps. The Colt .32 Long is smaller in diameter than the .32 Smith and Wesson Long and will not interchange. i have the 4.25" model but they're now offering a 2.75" as well. That's the way I'd go if I was you. I don't have the type of income where I'll have multiple AR's in the future but would like to have one for fun on the range and some tactical stuff. Location: TENNESSEE ! overall it is a great gun, not worth the inflated gunbroker prices like all pythons but I wouldn't feel like I was missing out not owning another double action revolver. As is obvious to those of us with a functional sense of sight, the two guns we’re comparing are almost identical. You don't have to fully accessorize your rifle in one day you know. Glad to hear that timing thing hasn't occurred to you. I feel like I made the right choice. You won't have to go replacing things in six months. Kept the pistol facing down range as I ripped the glasses off my face too. 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